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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Exactly, so you have to ward. But it doesn't matter cause he's invis.

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by 4surface View Post
    Doesn't hurt to get that camera and vision stolen
    QFT

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaltovei View Post
    The only baddies are the ones who require an uncounterable CC to assassinate someone. You must play him a lot. You're also missing the entire point.
    I am very bad; and yes, NMB is one of my mains.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4surface View Post
    Yes but during the times where he just stays in the pad without the W you could see him. Most Nightbats use there W to escape.
    Indeed. I'd rather try to be sneaky by way of stealth pads and areas my opponent doesn't have vision over than to burn that escape on a potentially bad gank.
    V3G3TA: "Im pretty confident about my member...probly why I use Ham, and focus on the W, not the kdr...big guy thrwin his meat around sayin stuff. one really understands...with hair fom the 80 s...yep.. that ham makes me feel li myself"

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by Valafar View Post
    Exactly, so you have to ward. But it doesn't matter cause he's invis.
    You talk like he is invisible all the time and his W doesn't have a long cooldown. Honestly, get the cameras stolen power (which you should be doing as a solo lane anyway) and use them properly. He can't stealth past them all, and if you know his general area on the map your jungled can respond accordingly. Also, he can be counter jungled, especially when his ult is down.

    NMB is a pubstomper, and like every pubstomper in any MOBA people will complain and moan while the good players on good teams will adjust and shut them down.

  4. #64

    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by Raeph View Post
    You talk like he is invisible all the time and his W doesn't have a long cooldown. Honestly, get the cameras stolen power (which you should be doing as a solo lane anyway) and use them properly. He can't stealth past them all, and if you know his general area on the map your jungled can respond accordingly. Also, he can be counter jungled, especially when his ult is down.

    NMB is a pubstomper, and like every pubstomper in any MOBA people will complain and moan while the good players on good teams will adjust and shut them down.
    If by "adjust" you mean "always pick every game" then yeah, you're right lol

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaltovei View Post
    If by "adjust" you mean "always pick every game" then yeah, you're right lol
    No they buy items such as neron's contract or ra's al ghul's cloak if nightbats keeps picking on them.

  6. #66

    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by 4surface View Post
    No they buy items such as neron's contract or ra's al ghul's cloak if nightbats keeps picking on them.
    You can't use actives while suppressed. Neron's is basically luck on who baits who first, especially considering NMB's ult is instant.

    The counter to a free kill is...a second life? If that doesn't say it's completely OP then nothing does lol. Nevermind that NMB can use his ult three times or more for every time Ra's is up. He's picked every game because he has zero counterplay...one simple change would fix that.

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    He's picked every game because he has zero counterplay...one simple change would fix that.
    If he had zero counterplay wouldn't he be banned instead of 1st picked?

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaltovei View Post
    You can't use actives while suppressed. Neron's is basically luck on who baits who first, especially considering NMB's ult is instant.

    The counter to a free kill is...a second life? If that doesn't say it's completely OP then nothing does lol. Nevermind that NMB can use his ult three times or more for every time Ra's is up. He's picked every game because he has zero counterplay...one simple change would fix that.
    That's why you predict human behavior, if you hear a nightbats laughing u should prob pop the active.

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by unilordx View Post
    If he had zero counterplay wouldn't he be banned instead of 1st picked?
    He would be if Flash and Atomic Ivy were less OP. NightBat has the disadvantage of being all single-target with not much to do after the free ult kill. Those two stomp entire teamfights and can almost single-handedly dictate how games go. NMBs ult has zero counterplay bar two people both having CC...that's just fact and there is no argument. If only one has CC then just ult that person and there's again zero counterplay.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4surface View Post
    That's why you predict human behavior, if you hear a nightbats laughing u should prob pop the active.
    And then the NightBat and his teammate /laugh at you and then proceed to slaughter you after the active wears off? It goes both ways, hence the luck aspect. Just watch...with NMS and the 3.5 uncounterable chain CC, it's going to be pretty obvious why the change needs to happen. Balance is fragile though...the change to Batman's Utility Belt wouldn't change NMB's strengths at all, just give the counterplay that should have been there in the first place. He'd still be a stupidly strong ganker, there would just be an option to deal with him properly if the player wants to sacrifice an item slot to do so.

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    Re: Nightmare Batman

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaltovei View Post
    ..the change to Batman's Utility Belt wouldn't change NMB's strengths at all, just give the counterplay that should have been there in the first place. He'd still be a stupidly strong ganker, there would just be an option to deal with him properly if the player wants to sacrifice an item slot to do so.
    Pretty much this.

    Fine, you want NMB to stay as he is, cool. Let's agree to disagree here. However, there is absolutely zero reason that people should be against a change such as allowing Batman's Utility Belt from purging the suppression effects associated with Nightmare Batman's ultimate(and soon Nightmare Superman).

    Infact I am absolutely astounded that Batman's Utility Belt DOESN'T get you out of the ult, considering this would be the number one reason to buy it in the first place.

 

 

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