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    Get rid of the raider cam

    It spawns way to frequently and the advantage you get is so broken. It makes the snowball even worse and forces you to team fight. Make raider drop 8 second emps.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    are you nuts, the raider camera is not broken. smart players know that if the raider goes missing then start searching the jungle for the camera and destroy it. it does not need to be changed.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    Quote Originally Posted by Wurm_king View Post
    are you nuts, the raider camera is not broken. smart players know that if the raider goes missing then start searching the jungle for the camera and destroy it. it does not need to be changed.
    smart players usually punish you, if you go to kill the tower, because they can see your every move

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyHodor View Post
    smart players usually punish you, if you go to kill the tower, because they can see your every move
    This doesn't stop you from killing raider cam.

    Smart players will also know where it got placed and when is the best time to get it killed, I've never had a problem killing one or felt like it was giving to much of an advantage.
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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    I agree with Lyri. It's all just a matter of being able to communicate/coordinate with your team and make the right decision at the right time.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    nah raider cam is pretty OP, it needs to be removed or harshly nerfed.
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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    Raider cam is incredibly powerful. It gives you vision of around 10% of the map AND detects stealth. This means you control a huge area of the map and can destroy any cams that get placed. This also greatly reduces pressure on any lane because they get vision. Generally you put the raider ward defensively that gives you position of raider pit. This is strong because of the defensive position, the other team can't kill the ward safely without bot and mid lane converging on them, creating an out-of-position fight that you'll lose unless you're way ahead. So basically the team that gets the first raider ward, in a relatively even game of players of similar skill will have an unequivocal advantage in the game that is hard to recover short of the team who controls first raider blundering badly.

    Having vision of the pit also gives the team with the ward an advantage in all future raider engagements, which in turn can help them snowball further. Currently: the raider ward provides too much vision, detects stealth, and lasts until it is destroyed. It also takes 10 autos to kill, more than 3x as powerful as a regular camera.

    Conversely, regular cams/GA cams have such a small vision radius - it creates an imbalance in the game to the team that controls raider and gives them an insurmountable vision advantage.

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    A solid change would be to reduce the vision of it, possibly make it not detect stealth, and/or add a timer to the ward, even if it's 10 minutes or longer. This means that even a team who controls first raider ward and puts it defensively won't have that vision advantage forever, the other team can strategize against it, turtle, and wait for the ward to die and then try to be aggressive again.

    Overall, raider cam is just too strong for the team that first acquires it.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    Quote Originally Posted by Duran View Post
    Raider cam is incredibly powerful. It gives you vision of around 10% of the map AND detects stealth. This means you control a huge area of the map and can destroy any cams that get placed. This also greatly reduces pressure on any lane because they get vision. Generally you put the raider ward defensively that gives you position of raider pit. This is strong because of the defensive position, the other team can't kill the ward safely without bot and mid lane converging on them, creating an out-of-position fight that you'll lose unless you're way ahead. So basically the team that gets the first raider ward, in a relatively even game of players of similar skill will have an unequivocal advantage in the game that is hard to recover short of the team who controls first raider blundering badly.

    Having vision of the pit also gives the team with the ward an advantage in all future raider engagements, which in turn can help them snowball further. Currently: the raider ward provides too much vision, detects stealth, and lasts until it is destroyed. It also takes 10 autos to kill, more than 3x as powerful as a regular camera.

    Conversely, regular cams/GA cams have such a small vision radius - it creates an imbalance in the game to the team that controls raider and gives them an insurmountable vision advantage.

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    A solid change would be to reduce the vision of it, possibly make it not detect stealth, and/or add a timer to the ward, even if it's 10 minutes or longer. This means that even a team who controls first raider ward and puts it defensively won't have that vision advantage forever, the other team can strategize against it, turtle, and wait for the ward to die and then try to be aggressive again.

    Overall, raider cam is just too strong for the team that first acquires it.
    Pretty much this. The two strongest things in MOBAs are mobility and vision. Funnily enough, vision limits mobility.

    Turbine needs to tweak Raider for sure. Make Raider cam less hardy, taking as many hits as it does is excessive, and it definitely does not need to detect stealth. That's the most overkill part of it imo. It's a super ward that counters regular wards, so it just trumps what the other team has at their disposal.

    It's either that or come up with something different that Raider gives you, because it's already a snowball mechanic with the team-wide gold it affords you.
    Last edited by TeaSeeOh; 07-16-2014 at 02:14 AM.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    X-Ray vision to check the stealth pad, then use one of the various chars that can jump the wall to attack and back off.

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    Re: Get rid of the raider cam

    My favourite idea is to make it have a little longer than normal ward range when it's unattended, and have it increase it's vision range to normal when it has an ally champion nearby, similar to the Gotham Heights tower proximity mechanic.

 

 

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